Secretary of State Rubio to Visit Italy and Vatican Amid US-Europe Tensions and New Papacy
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U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is traveling to Rome and the Vatican on May 7-8 to meet Pope Leo XIV and Italian officials, in an effort to repair relations damaged by President Trump's unprecedented public attacks on the pope and Prime Minister Meloni. The visit takes place against the backdrop of a 5,000-troop withdrawal from Germany, threats to pull forces from Italy and Spain, and a widening rift between Washington and its NATO allies over the Iran conflict and European defense spending.
U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is scheduled to arrive in Rome on May 7 for two days of meetings that carry more diplomatic freight than any Vatican visit by an American official in recent memory. He will meet Pope Leo XIV — the first American-born pope — at a moment when the president Rubio serves has called that pope "weak on crime" and "terrible for foreign policy" . He will sit across from Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto and Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani while Trump publicly mulls withdrawing the nearly 13,000 U.S. troops stationed on Italian soil . And he will attempt all of this while navigating his own complicated history as a one-time champion of the very NATO alliance his administration now threatens to abandon .
The trip is being described by Italian media as an effort to "thaw" relations that have frozen over rapidly since mid-April, when Trump launched an extraordinary series of public attacks on Pope Leo XIV over the pontiff's criticism of the U.S.-Israeli military campaign in Iran . Trump then turned on Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, once considered his closest European ally, for defending the pope, dismissing her as lacking courage .
The Trump-Pope Leo Rift: Unprecedented in Modern Diplomacy
The confrontation between Trump and Pope Leo XIV has no clean parallel in modern U.S.-Vatican relations. While popes and presidents have disagreed before — John Paul II opposed the 2003 Iraq War, and Francis clashed with Trump over immigration during the 2016 campaign — the current exchange has been far more personal and sustained .
The trigger was Leo's vocal opposition to the U.S.-Israeli war on Iran, framed in the moral language of just-war theology. Trump responded by accusing the pope of "siding with Iran" and demanding he stop criticizing U.S. policy. "If I wasn't in the White House, Leo wouldn't be in the Vatican," Trump wrote on social media . He further called the pope "a very liberal person" who was "catering to the radical left" .
Leo, for his part, has refused to back down. "I have no fear of neither the Trump administration nor of speaking out loudly about the message in the Gospel," he told reporters at the start of an 11-day Africa tour in April . His willingness to name Trump directly — a departure from Vatican diplomatic convention — signals a papacy that will not treat confrontation with Washington as something to be managed through quiet channels alone .
The rift extends beyond Iran. Since his election in May 2025, Leo has built a record of direct engagement on issues that put him at odds with the administration. He characterized the treatment of long-term immigrants in the United States as "extremely disrespectful, to say the least" . His first apostolic exhortation directly confronted Trump-era immigration enforcement policies . He endorsed a U.S. bishops' pastoral letter rejecting mass expulsions and calling for the protection of human dignity alongside national security .
As the first pope who holds American citizenship — he is a dual citizen of the United States and Peru — Leo occupies a position no predecessor has held. His biography as a missionary who lived among the poor in Peru gives his statements on migration a personal authority that is difficult for the White House to dismiss as foreign interference .
What Rubio Is Walking Into: The Italian Equation
The Italian dimension of this visit is nearly as fraught as the Vatican one. Rubio is expected to meet Tajani and Crosetto, but as of this writing, a meeting with Meloni herself has not been confirmed . The Irish Times reported that Rubio was "left waiting on a request" to meet the prime minister — a diplomatic signal that Italy is not eager to appear as if it is seeking American approval .
Meloni's political situation adds a layer of complexity. She commands a parliamentary majority through her coalition with the centrist Forza Italia and the nativist League. But Trump's public criticism of her, combined with Italy's economic headwinds, has created what Foreign Policy described as a "failed populist formula," raising questions about the coalition's performance in the 2027 parliamentary elections . Center-left opposition parties have begun talks about organizing a primary to name a coalition leader .
For Meloni, a high-profile embrace of Rubio could alienate Italian voters who recoiled at Trump's attacks on the pope — a figure of enormous cultural significance in Italy regardless of church attendance. But snubbing the visit entirely would risk further deterioration of a relationship with Washington that her government has cultivated as a strategic asset. The meeting with Crosetto, the defense minister, rather than Meloni directly, may represent a deliberate middle path: serious engagement on substance without the optics of a summit .
Italy hosts almost 13,000 U.S. active-duty soldiers across six military bases, including the Navy's European headquarters in Naples and the Army's 173rd Airborne Brigade in Vicenza — the Army's rapid-deployment contingency force for Europe and Africa . Trump's statement that "Italy has not been of any help to us" and his suggestion that he would "probably" withdraw troops is not an abstract threat for Italian defense planners .
The Troop Drawdown: Numbers, Bases, and Strategic Stakes
The immediate military backdrop to Rubio's visit is the Pentagon's announcement that 5,000 troops will be withdrawn from Germany over the next six to twelve months . Germany hosts the largest concentration of U.S. forces in Europe — approximately 36,400 personnel out of roughly 68,000 stationed across the continent as of late 2025 . Trump has signaled this is only the beginning: "We're going to cut way down, and we're cutting a lot further than 5,000" .
The withdrawals have drawn bipartisan criticism in Washington. A defense bill passed by Congress limits the Defense Department's ability to reduce U.S. troop levels in Europe below 76,000 . Senior Republican lawmakers, including members of Trump's own party, warned that "prematurely reducing America's forward presence in Europe before those capabilities are fully realized risks undermining deterrence and sending the wrong signal to Vladimir Putin" .
NATO is still assessing the operational implications. The alliance's secretary general has asked for formal details from Washington . Germany's defense minister characterized the withdrawal as "anticipated" but said it underlined the urgency of European defense self-sufficiency .
The administration frames the drawdowns as part of a broader strategic rebalancing toward the Indo-Pacific to counter China, and as pressure on European allies to increase their own defense contributions . This connects to the longest-running American grievance about the transatlantic alliance: burden-sharing.
The Burden-Sharing Argument: What the Data Actually Shows
For years, the core American complaint has been that European allies free-ride on U.S. defense spending. The data tells a more nuanced story than either side typically acknowledges.
In 2014, when NATO members agreed at the Wales Summit to move toward spending 2% of GDP on defense, only three allies met the target. By 2025, every NATO member is expected to meet or exceed the 2% threshold — a milestone that represents the fastest sustained increase in European defense investment since the Cold War . The average across the alliance reached 2.76% of GDP . European allies and Canada collectively invested more than $574 billion (in 2021 prices) in defense in 2025, up from 1.4% of combined GDP in 2014 to 2.3% .
Poland leads the alliance at 4.48% of GDP, followed by Lithuania at 4% and Latvia at 3.73% — all frontline states facing Russia . The United States spends 3.57%. Italy, the country Rubio is visiting, sits at 2.08%, and Spain at 2.05% .
At the 2025 NATO Summit in The Hague, allies committed to a new target: 5% of GDP on defense and security-related spending by 2035 . Critics of the current U.S. posture argue that even at 2%, most European militaries lack the expeditionary capabilities, logistics, and intelligence infrastructure to operate independently of American support. Defenders counter that the trajectory is sharply upward and that abruptly withdrawing U.S. forces now — just as Europeans are finally investing — would be self-defeating.
The steelman case for U.S. critics is straightforward: American taxpayers have spent decades subsidizing the defense of wealthy nations that chose to invest in social programs instead. The counterargument is equally direct: forward-deployed U.S. forces in Europe serve American strategic interests — power projection, intelligence collection, logistics hubs for Middle East and Africa operations — and are not a charitable gift.
Rubio's Contradictions: NATO Champion Turned Administration Voice
Rubio's own record on NATO makes him an unusual envoy for this particular mission. In December 2023, as a senator, he posted: "No U.S. President should be able to withdraw from NATO without Senate approval." He co-sponsored legislation to that effect, which passed the Senate . Bloomberg reported that this law now represents a direct hurdle to Trump's NATO exit threats .
Yet as Secretary of State, Rubio has aligned himself with the administration's confrontational posture. After European allies declined to support the U.S.-Israeli campaign in Iran, Rubio declared there was "no doubt" Washington would have to "reexamine" its relationship with NATO . He warned European allies to "meet obligations or lose US support" .
There are signs of a rhetorical middle ground. At a speech to world leaders, Rubio said the U.S. and Europe "belong together" while pushing for a reshaped alliance on Trump's terms . PBS characterized his approach as "reassuring skeptical European allies" while "following Trump's vision" . Compared to Vice President Vance's combative 2025 Munich Security Conference address, Rubio has adopted a softer tone — though the underlying policy demands remain the same .
Whether Rubio is executing policy or subtly moderating it from within is a question that hangs over the Rome visit. White House officials have not publicly contradicted his statements, but the gap between his Senate record and his current rhetoric leaves room for interpretation on both sides of the Atlantic.
What the Vatican Wants — and What Leverage It Has
If the Rubio-Leo meeting produces more than photographs, it will likely be because the Vatican presses on specific humanitarian issues where it has institutional credibility and moral authority.
The Holy See's current diplomatic priorities include an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, the release of Israeli hostages, and unhindered humanitarian access for Palestinian civilians . Leo met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and called for a two-state solution . On nuclear weapons, the Vatican has reiterated support for the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons and warned that AI integration into nuclear command systems increases "the risk of miscalculation" . The Holy See has also rejected Trump's proposed "Board of Peace" initiative, insisting that international crises should be handled through established multilateral institutions, particularly the United Nations .
The Vatican's leverage is real but indirect. It has no military, no sanctions authority, and no vote in international bodies (it holds permanent observer status at the UN). What it has is a network of 1.4 billion Catholics worldwide, a diplomatic corps that reaches into virtually every country, and a moral voice that can shift public opinion in ways that affect domestic politics — particularly in heavily Catholic nations like Italy, Poland, the Philippines, and across Latin America .
Historical precedent offers a mixed record. The Vatican's most consequential diplomatic intervention was arguably its role, alongside the Reagan administration, in undermining Soviet influence in Eastern Europe during the 1980s . Pope John Paul II's support for Solidarity in Poland contributed to a chain of events that reshaped the continent. But the Vatican opposed the 2003 Iraq War without preventing it, opposed U.S. interventions in Central America in the 1980s without stopping them, and has consistently called for Middle East peace without producing it .
The pattern suggests the Vatican is most effective when its moral authority aligns with existing political momentum — amplifying movements rather than creating them. On Iran, Gaza, and nuclear arms, Pope Leo may be able to raise political costs for the administration among Catholic voters and allied governments, but direct policy change driven by a papal audience would be historically unusual.
Historical Context: How Rare Is This?
Since the United States established full diplomatic relations with the Holy See in 1984, every sitting president has visited the Vatican . Secretary of State visits have been relatively routine diplomatic events — Mike Pompeo visited in 2020, John Kerry in 2014 and 2016, Hillary Clinton in 2009 and 2012.
What makes Rubio's trip unusual is not the visit itself but the conditions surrounding it. The combination of a public presidential feud with the pope, active threats to withdraw troops from the host country, and a broader rupture in the transatlantic alliance over an ongoing military conflict has no direct precedent in the post-Cold War era. The Wikipedia entry for the "2026 United States-Holy See rift" — the fact that such an entry exists — suggests the current moment has already been recognized as historically distinct .
The closest analogue may be the period following the 2003 Iraq War, when the Vatican's opposition to the invasion created friction with the Bush administration. But George W. Bush never personally attacked Pope John Paul II, and the U.S. was not simultaneously threatening to withdraw forces from NATO allies. The current crisis is multi-layered in a way that previous tensions were not.
What Success Looks Like — and What Failure Costs
For Rubio, success in Rome would mean lowering the temperature without making commitments Trump would repudiate. A joint statement affirming shared values, a handshake photograph with Leo that signals mutual respect, and a defense conversation with Crosetto that avoids an ultimatum on troop withdrawals would all count as wins.
For Pope Leo, the visit is an opportunity to demonstrate that the Vatican remains a relevant diplomatic actor even when — especially when — it is in conflict with the world's most powerful government. A meeting that produces concrete humanitarian commitments, even modest ones, would reinforce the pope's standing.
For Meloni, the calculus is about domestic survival. If she meets Rubio, she risks looking subservient to an administration that insulted her. If she doesn't, she risks further damage to a bilateral relationship that underpins Italian security. The reported decision to have Tajani and Crosetto take the meetings suggests she is choosing strategic ambiguity for now .
The stakes extend beyond any single meeting. If the U.S. follows through on broader troop withdrawals from Europe — Trump has floated reductions well beyond the 5,000 already announced — the military balance on the continent shifts in ways that will take years to address. If the Trump-Leo rift hardens into a permanent breach, it will mark the first sustained confrontation between a U.S. president and the papacy since the establishment of formal diplomatic relations. And if NATO's institutional cohesion fractures under the weight of disputes over Iran, burden-sharing, and American disengagement, the consequences will outlast any single administration.
Rubio arrives in Rome carrying all of these tensions in his briefcase. Whether he can resolve any of them in 48 hours is doubtful. Whether he can prevent them from getting worse may be the more realistic measure of success.
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- [1]Rubio to visit Italy, Vatican amid troop drawdown call, tension with Trump, Pope Leo: reportsfoxnews.com
Rubio expected to travel to Rome May 7-8 for meetings with Vatican and Italian officials amid diplomatic tensions caused by Trump's attacks on Pope Leo and Meloni.
- [2]US troop cuts in Italy and Spain probable, Trump saysstripes.com
Italy hosts 12,662 U.S. active-duty personnel across six bases including Navy European HQ in Naples and 173rd Airborne Brigade in Vicenza.
- [3]Rubio Co-Sponsored Law That Blocks Trump From Pulling Out of NATObloomberg.com
Rubio co-sponsored legislation preventing any president from withdrawing from NATO without Senate approval, creating a legal hurdle for Trump's exit threats.
- [4]Rubio Rome Visit Amid Vatican And Italy Tensionsibtimes.sg
Italian media characterizes Rubio's trip as effort to thaw relations after Trump assailed Pope Leo and blasted Meloni for defending the pontiff.
- [5]Popes have spoken out on politics before. But with Trump and Pope Leo it's differentnpr.org
Trump's insults toward the pope are without precedent. Leo referring to Trump by name was a new tactic for the papacy.
- [6]Trump takes aim at Pope Leo again, days after calling him 'weak on crime'cnbc.com
Trump accused Leo of being 'WEAK on Crime, and terrible for Foreign Policy' and implied the pope owed his position to Trump.
- [7]Pope Leo's target is bigger than Trump. He's rebuking the 'MAGA Jesus'cnn.com
Trump called Leo 'a very liberal person' who was 'catering to the radical left,' escalating the unprecedented public feud.
- [8]Pope Leo Responds to Attack by Trump, Saying He Has 'No Fear' of Speaking Outtime.com
Leo told reporters: 'I have no fear of neither the Trump administration nor of speaking out loudly about the message in the Gospel.'
- [9]Pope calls treatment of migrants in U.S. 'extremely disrespectful'usccb.org
Pope Leo characterized treatment of long-term immigrants as 'extremely disrespectful, to say the least,' referring to people living in the U.S. for decades.
- [10]Pope Leo XIV Confronts Trump-Era Immigration Policies in First Apostolic Exhortationcatholiconline.news
Leo's first apostolic exhortation directly confronted Trump-era immigration enforcement policies, dividing American conservatives.
- [11]Pope highlights dignity of migrants, supports U.S. bishops' statementvaticannews.va
Leo called the U.S. bishops' pastoral letter on immigration rejecting mass expulsions 'a very important statement.'
- [12]Pope Leo XIV faces a difficult challenge on migrationamericamagazine.org
As a dual citizen of the U.S. and Peru and former missionary, Leo has personal authority on migration issues.
- [13]Marco Rubio to meet Pope Leo in first contact with US cabinet since Trump attackirishtimes.com
Rubio was 'left waiting on a request' to meet Meloni; meetings confirmed with Tajani, Crosetto, and Vatican Secretary of State Parolin.
- [14]Italy: Why Meloni's Populist Formula Failedforeignpolicy.com
Meloni faces a challenging final year of her term with concerns about coalition electoral performance ahead of 2027 elections.
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Trump told reporters he would 'probably' also cut troops from Italy and Spain, singling them out for unhelpful responses to the Iran conflict.
- [16]The loss of 5,000 US troops in Germany is just the tip of the challenge facing Europecnn.com
Germany hosts 36,400 U.S. personnel out of roughly 68,000 across Europe. Pentagon announced 5,000-troop withdrawal over 6-12 months.
- [17]Bill seeks to limit US military reductions in Europestripes.com
Congressional defense bill limits Pentagon's ability to drop U.S. troop levels in Europe below 76,000.
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Top Republicans warned premature reduction risks 'undermining deterrence and sending the wrong signal to Vladimir Putin.'
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NATO secretary general has asked for formal details from Washington on the Germany withdrawal.
- [20]Germany Says US Troop Drawdown Should Spur Europeusnews.com
Germany's defense minister characterized withdrawal as underlining European defense responsibility.
- [21]Defence Expenditure of NATO Countries (2014-2025)nato.int
All NATO allies expected to meet 2% GDP defense spending target in 2025, up from only 3 in 2014. Average reached 2.76%.
- [22]Defence expenditures and NATO's 5% commitmentnato.int
European allies and Canada invested $574 billion in defense in 2025. New 5% GDP target set for 2035 at The Hague summit.
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Rubio's past legislation to block NATO withdrawal creates contradiction with his current administration role.
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Rubio declared 'no doubt' the U.S. would have to 'reexamine' its relationship with NATO after allies refused to support Iran campaign.
- [25]Rubio warns Europe to meet obligations or lose US supportthehill.com
Rubio warned European allies to meet defense obligations or risk losing American support.
- [26]Rubio Says U.S. and Europe 'Belong Together' In Speech To World Leaderstime.com
Rubio adopted a softer tone than Vance while still pushing Trump's vision for a reshaped alliance.
- [27]Rubio tries to reassure skeptical European allies but pushes Trump's visionpbs.org
PBS characterized Rubio as reassuring European allies while following Trump's vision for a reshaped alliance with a softer tone.
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Leo met Abbas and called for two-state solution, immediate ceasefire in Gaza, release of hostages, and humanitarian access.
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Vatican reiterated support for nuclear weapons prohibition treaty and warned AI integration in nuclear systems increases miscalculation risk.
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Vatican rejected Trump's proposed Board of Peace initiative, insisting international crises should be handled through the UN.
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The Vatican served as intelligence hub during Cold War; Reagan-John Paul II partnership helped undermine Soviet influence in Eastern Europe.
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Full U.S.-Vatican diplomatic relations established in 1984. Vatican opposed Iraq War and Central American interventions.
- [33]2026 United States–Holy See riftwikipedia.org
Wikipedia entry documenting the 2026 rift between the U.S. and the Holy See, indicating historically distinct level of tension.
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